Question:
When did your love for the scriptures begin?
Catherine:
When I was very little, toddler age, my mother bought a bible stories
book, I think it was a Golden book. She used to read that to me, among other
things. I noticed that it has an awful lot of annotation in it, from my pencil.
And so I must have enjoyed doing that.
But it was when I was a junior in high school, that’s
when I started reading seriously, and trying to do it daily, which has been an
on and off project for decades. I’ve never had a strategy [for consistent scripture study]—it’s just sheer will power when I do it right. It’s just, “No, read that, don’t do that. Read that first, then do that.” And when I’m successful at making myself do that, then I’m a consistent scripture reader, and when I’m not, then I’m not.
Question:
You’ve proclaimed your love for the Bible. Why does this book of scripture
speak to your soul?
Catherine:
I’m not sure, but both the Old and New Testament do. The New Testament of
course because of Jesus—there’s just nothing like seeing Him act, and hearing
Him talk, while he was mortal, to be an example for what to do in our lives. He
is the only one who will never fail us, so watching what He does really gives a
sense for what I can do, even though my life is so different from His. The Old Testament too—I really like the Old
Testament. It may have been how I was raised. My mother, though a member of the
church, probably did more with the Bible with me than the Book of Mormon, so it
may have been that. The Old Testament is great fun because you do need to have some sense of how to
read literature to read that successfully. You have to think about what you’re
reading there, you can’t just take it and say, “Oh yes, that’s lovely,” because
a lot of it really isn’t lovely at all. You have to find out what to do with
the book of Judges, and how to deal with the Benjaminites, and things like
that. And I quite enjoy that.
I also enjoy short story collections, and it’s kind
of interesting to get this collection of diverse—and I’m going to call it
literature, but that doesn’t exclude it from being inspired—this diverse
literature together and sort through it. How do they read this? How do I read
this?
Question: You've also spoken of your affinity for parables. What is it that draws you to the parables?
Catherine:
I’m drawn to the parables because they allow—in fact even insist on—multiple
possibilities of interpretation. They don’t mean just one thing. There are
limits to what they can mean, but each time you read it you can see something slightly different.
And many things can be addressed in one parable.
In the parable of the ninety-nine sheep we’re all
thinking of the shepherd leaving the ninety-nine and going out to get the one.
And when you teach that in a class, you talk about there being more joy in heaven over one sinner that
has repented. The first thing that students want to do is say, “That’s probably
a translation error, because there wouldn’t be more joy over a sinner that comes back than over all of the ninety-nine
that never sinned.” And you can discuss that for a little while. But,
eventually you end up saying, “Well, it’s a casting problem, isn’t it? Where do
you cast yourself in this?” Well, we all cast ourselves as one of the ninety
and nine that are left. But the truth is, there is no ninety and nine. We’re
all the one. The Lord is always going out after us, the sinner. And if you cast
yourself as one of those who doesn’t sin, then you resent the attention given
to the sinner. But if you are the sinner, then you are so grateful for the joy
the Lord feels after bringing you back.
The Lord makes that really clear in the prodigal son. He could have ended the parable with the rejoicing. But he adds that
second part, of the elder son who resents, and that’s where we are. He knows His
audience—that’s where we are. I like the way that the Lord’s parables, but also
just the way He talks, will do that, will turn the tables on us, and let us
think about ourselves, and not just about “the other one.”
Question:
What do you hope happens for women who attend this class?
Catherine:
I would very much like for the women to come away with the sense that there is
more in the scriptures than what we usually see, discuss, and perceive in a
lesson; that they can become very personal little documents for us to read. And
that they can come away with actual ways to behave or respond in this life—respond
to what life throws at you. And, I’d like them to come away with the sense that
they can “close read” the scriptures. This is not an ivory tower experience for
those who have studied the scriptures at great length. This is something we can
all do. We read it, and we reread it, and eventually biblical language becomes
familiar, and at that point we just read and understand.
Question:
What would you like the sisters to come prepared with as they enter our
learning space each week?
Catherine:
I’d like them to come, I suppose, with open minds to some things: to the
ability to read, to maybe stretch a parable or an event in the Lord’s life
beyond what they’ve usually seen it to be. I’d like them to come either with a
testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of God already or, to be open to
forming that. The foundation I’m going to work from is that Jesus Christ is the
Son of God, and that what He did in His life was perfect. I’m not going to
assume that He made mistakes; I’m going to assume that when He says something He
doesn’t say it out of racial bias, which is one of the stories we’ll look at,
that He doesn’t say it out of ignorance—occasionally He says it out of anger,
but it’s a calculated anger that He wanted to express for a reason—and therefore,
we can take what He said or did as absolutes, and we can work from there to
find out why He did what He did. So, if it looks like He responded to the
alternately Greek or Syro-Phoenician woman with a sort of racial bias, I assume
He did not have racial biases, therefore, what was He trying to do? Let’s look
at it and see what we can learn from what He did. We’re not going to just write
it off as a mostly good prophet who had his own biases. So, I do need them to
bring either that assurance within themselves, or a willingness to accept that,
as that’s where I’m going to start. That won’t ever be a basis for
discussion--whether or not He knew what He was doing. My assumption will be
that He did.